tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post8265491821342602440..comments2013-12-11T15:20:53.337-06:00Comments on Under the Owl's Wing: Equate with CareConor W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-3175905514983699272013-08-05T10:24:45.359-05:002013-08-05T10:24:45.359-05:00Test comment one two.Test comment one two.Conor O'Bryan Warrennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-82046678791234724692013-07-25T17:35:55.494-05:002013-07-25T17:35:55.494-05:00I don't have to have the same stance as the an...I don't have to have the same stance as the ancient Greeks. I'm a reconstructionist, not a re-enactor. <br /><br />Again, I think it is best to look at that symbolically, if you don't that's your thing. I take the Sun as being symbolic of how Helios operates, I identify the sun as representing him, not him as the Sun itself. The sun doesn't delight in offerings, the sun doesn't keep oaths. I'm not a 101er, I'm well aware of how the Greeks saw Gods like Helios and Selene. I don't have to mimic their opinions. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-88843030834255078082013-07-25T17:22:44.163-05:002013-07-25T17:22:44.163-05:00Helios is the Witness of Oaths. He is that because...Helios is the Witness of Oaths. He is that because he sees everything. He sees everything because he's the Sun, looking down on everything. So that's part of being the Sun.<br /><br />I don't think your stance is historical. It's not the same as that of the ancient Greeks, who considered Helios to be the same as the Sun. Read any passage quoted <a href="http://www.theoi.com/Titan/HeliosGod.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>; you'll get a sense of the identification.Ashley Yakeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449875179637133204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-26232900323875365792013-07-25T17:09:11.396-05:002013-07-25T17:09:11.396-05:00And yes, I'm not going to get into a semantic ...And yes, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument with you about what 'nature' means. That is an endless and tiresome loop. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-37636697787906672332013-07-25T17:08:34.889-05:002013-07-25T17:08:34.889-05:00Well he is the God of Oaths for a start.
What yo...Well he is the God of Oaths for a start. <br /><br />What you are saying amounts to calling something with no agency, will, or awareness Helios. Not to mention other Gods like Ra and Amaterasu both had multitudes of roles and domains outside of just being associated with the Sun. <br /><br />A 'force of nature' is just that, a force of nature. A actor of the world with no will or consciousness in of itself, but which can be acted upon and influenced by the Gods. <br /><br />Again, I hold my stance. I see the Sun as representing Helios. The entirety of the divinity of Helios is not summed up within the Sun. Helios does not begin and end with the sun, nor does Amaterasu and Ra. <br /><br />If you are looking to change someone's view go to r/changemyview on reddit. You frequent there enough according to your user history. I'll save you and myself time and say upfront that on this particular Helios issue, you aren't changing my view. If you want to discuss and/or debate something else relevant to this post, go right on ahead. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-325514630396782322013-07-25T16:48:00.077-05:002013-07-25T16:48:00.077-05:00Helios is a god. Helios is the Sun. The Sun exists...Helios is a god. Helios is the Sun. The Sun exists. Therefore this god exists. But atheism is the belief that there are no gods, so this is not atheism. And I don't see how this would be pantheism either? Animism, maybe, but I believe my view is in line with the ancient Greeks.<br /><br />What domains does Helios have outside of the Sun?<br /><br />"The Sun is a force of nature" - what do you mean by <i>nature</i>?Ashley Yakeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449875179637133204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-78605135568505356052013-07-25T16:06:19.725-05:002013-07-25T16:06:19.725-05:00See, but it does though because Helios is *more* t...See, but it does though because Helios is *more* than just the Sun. He has domains outside of the Sun just as Zeus has domains outside of lightning and rain. Do you see what I'm saying? Helios isn't the simply the sun. The Sun is a force of nature, Helios does not. This isn't a post that addresses pantheism or atheism. If that is your slant, quite honestly, your comments are irrelevant on this particular post. <br /><br />I don't care about atheistic and pantheistic viewpoints, and quite frankly got tired of arguing about them a long time ago. You are free to have your opinion, but do realize that pantheism and atheism are both as irrelevant to this post as a Christian commenting on here about how the Sun represents the love of God. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-36893209565447519162013-07-25T14:21:47.714-05:002013-07-25T14:21:47.714-05:00It does not deny that those divinities exist! Heli...It does not deny that those divinities exist! Helios is the Sun. The Sun exists. Therefore Helios exists. Helios is not just in my head, I can <i>literally</i> point to where Helios is, outside myself.Ashley Yakeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449875179637133204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-60336069009756837432013-07-25T07:09:22.576-05:002013-07-25T07:09:22.576-05:00Yes, but then that denies that those divinities ex...Yes, but then that denies that those divinities exist. If you don't believe in the gods, that is your view, but I do. I don't say Poseidon or Zeus or Demeter or Ge don't exist simply because they have natural associations, why would I do it to the sun deities? They all have the sun as a symbol, but those gods themselves are not symbols of the sun. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-56961860269839879672013-07-25T03:41:18.588-05:002013-07-25T03:41:18.588-05:00I think all those gods are different ways of under...I think all those gods are different ways of understanding the Sun and expressing our relationship to it. Helios and Sol Invictus and Amaterasu are all the same thing, that is, the Sun. But they are all different understandings of the Sun and different relationships to it, as informed by various cultures.Ashley Yakeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00449875179637133204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-34085138360384832542013-07-25T00:25:54.952-05:002013-07-25T00:25:54.952-05:00Hi!
I'm going to be perfectly honest and say...Hi! <br /><br />I'm going to be perfectly honest and say that your first paragraph sounds like new agey gibberish. I'm not saying that it is, but I am saying that if you want your idea to be comprehensible you might want to elucidate a bit more on what you mean :) <br /><br />To your other on the gender thing, I think for sure that the gods don't have a sex, as for a gender? Also unlikely that they have a 'true' gender, but they appeared as male or female in specific cultures for specific reasons. We do have direct examples of androgynous deities such as Olokun appearing as male and female in different regions so it isn't a particularly crazy thought. It just isn't a conclusion I'm seeing these folks equating everything with everything else making. I haven't seen a single person equate Artemis with Cernnunos for example. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-11956742855510419412013-07-24T20:28:45.513-05:002013-07-24T20:28:45.513-05:00Since all are pieces of the one~ I am~ presence~ T...Since all are pieces of the one~ I am~ presence~ Then perhaps we should recognize each as one lifetimes individual frequency's during that incarnation. <br /><br />But in the complex nature of existence on the other side of the veil, is it possibly that perhaps they are androgynous? <br /><br />What if like two halves of the brain that may contain a gender polarity~ (often why these individuals had consorts or "another half" if you will. <br />Maybe even taking turns for different incarnations. <br /><br />Its all so very interesting~ <3 <br />I would love to study the time periods when these stories were supposed to have occurred, and look at each culture and the similarities and differences. <br /><br />I wonder if there's a pattern. ^.^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-25737074224206606792013-07-24T20:25:44.214-05:002013-07-24T20:25:44.214-05:00I basically think that each person has to do what ...I basically think that each person has to do what is right for them in determining the 'number' of deities. <br /><br />I put it on my Facebook simply because I don't believe in concealing such a big part of me. My religion isn't something that I can just squirrel away when inconvenient. I'm honest about it in my waking hours and I'm honest about it online. Hiding something that permeates my life at all levels is ludicrous.I came out of the closet once when I came out as gay, I'm not coming out of a closet again. Conor W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11660020818713159502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1827734179179763488.post-47987342750963653542013-07-24T20:20:06.407-05:002013-07-24T20:20:06.407-05:00I would say that they are all right. The deity or...I would say that they are all right. The deity or deities that apply to a certain person or people are all they have "chosen" so to speak. BTW, I don't know how you have the balls to put your blog on facebook. My family would kill me if they saw my blog, especially some of the youtube vlogs I do. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com